An Interview with Matt Hart

Interview conducted by Justin Bigos

Justin Bigos: Your most recent book of poems, Sermons and Lectures Both Blank and Relentless, throbs with exuberance, with the routine yet unpredictable pulse of daily life, with the music all around us, and inside us.  The poems are expansive with what is and what might be.  They are free.  So, first: thank you.  I don’t always feel that the poems I’m reading are a gift.  Yours are – and they know they are.  I think that’s one of the defining qualities of your poems: an intentional giving, even while the poems themselves thrive on the contradictions within intention.  Maybe we can start by you describing the particular book.  How did you get started writing it?  Where has it taken you as a poet?

Matt Hart: Man, it’s so nice of you to say that you feel like the Sermons and Lecturespoems are a gift to the reader.  I really love hearing that, as those poems felt, and still feel, like a gift to me too. So much of the book was written in a series of ecstatic bursts.  I sometimes felt like I didn’t know how the poems were being written.  And while I don’t want to get too Jack Spicer about it and start going on about spooks and Martians, many of these poems felt like transmissions, if not from the ether, at least from the past.  I think I told you already that there were times writing these poems when I would sort of wake up typing, as if out of a trance, and there would be this page full of words that I would then get to wrestle with and revel and try to shape, mostly via collage, but there are lyric and even narrative moments in the book as well.

That said, a lot of the actual content was also inspired by discussions I was having in a class that I was teaching, where we used punk rock lyrics as instructions for reading various literary works.  It was a lot of fun, and I would get so charged up by the things that the students were saying.  Then I’d go home and blast off poems.  Or rather the poems would blast me. They were in the air.  I just had to tune in. In the process, I realized how much my years playing in bands and being immersed in music had defined my poetics, and also my life, and that went into the poems as well.  From punk rock, I got that contradictory urgency to make something and destroy it at the same time, to create a space where everything holds together, but might fall apart at any second—to make the self and self-destruct, then pick up the pieces and start the process again.  I also got from punk rock (or through it) the acute desire for stability and calm in the wake of chaos and exhaustion.  Often the balance and ebbs and flows are created formally in the poems, but it’s in the content too, the juxtaposition of the fragment barrage with declaration, wide-eyed descriptions and/or ordinary existence.

I should also note that some of the book’s main themes have to do with inclusiveness and the idea that as human beings we’re all more similar than we are different from each other, and that these similarities are the grounds for empathy (which is itself the ground for celebrating difference).  We have to find our feet with each other first.  We have to be willing to listen and imagine ourselves in the shoes of our neighbor. I don’t want to get too political about it, but culturally speaking, I feel like all the focus on difference over the last 50 years at the expense of our most human similarities has taught us a great deal about how, and when, to object, but it does a horrible job of teaching us how and when to listen to each other, to look and pay attention and be quiet.  Diversity is great—and deserves to be celebrated and promulgated, but the grounds of that are the recognition that we’re all a lot more similar than we are different.  This is something I can’t prove.  It’s something I